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[nfotxn]

It's official, Homosexuality is natural.

I've added this book to my amazon wishlist. When I have cash I am sooo buying it.

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[deafeuphoria.livejournal.com]

shit shit whens the press conference?

[notofthisworld.livejournal.com]

Arggghh. Don't get me started.

1) Whether or not something is "natural" is really in the eye of the beholder. For example, animals also commit rape sometimes (distinguished by the absence of usual courting behaviour). Does that make rape natural?

2) And even if rape is natural, does that make it okay? Animals are hardly role models for human behaviour. Some of them eat their own young. Some of them will eat their own faeces. I don't understand why people will justify their behaviour by saying "Animals do it, so it must be okay."

3) It's a human arrogance to believe that the behaviour of animals (especially amongst higher-order mammals) is purely hard-wired and has no socially-determined aspect, when there's so much evidence to the contrary.

But yes, a awful lot of time gets wasted discussing whether things are "natural" or not, and the Discovery Channel makes a lot of money out of broadcasting stupid pseudo-scientific shows which attempt to rationalise human behaviour with dodgy socio-biological theories. And people love it, because it's the religion of our secular age.

And like any religion, it has ludicrously complicated theories, it's capable of justifying anything the theorist wants to justify, and it's utterly unprovable.

But I won't deny that a lot of people feel better when they learn about gay animals. QueerTelevision (and God I loved that show -- Go Irshad!) used to have a segment each week called "It's a Queer World After All" where they gave an example of homosexuality in the animal kingdom.

So enjoy your book.

And by the way, my homosexuality is perfectly natural. Because I say so.

[stingray1975.livejournal.com]

actually, i own a copy of the book (surprise, surprise). brodie, you can borrow it the next time we meet. :oD

[notofthisworld.livejournal.com]

And by the way, how could CityTV let QueerTelevision be cancelled after just two seasons?! It was ten times better than any other piece of gay-oriented media I've seen.

Queer Muslims. Queer youth. Queer rappers. Queer racists. Queer criminals. Queer animals.

Controversial debate. Unflinching self-criticism. A strong devotion to journalistic ethics.

And best of all, a complete absence of feel-good, self-serving gay slogans.

It was a great show. It went beyond trendy identity politics and instead concentrated on documenting people as they are, warts and all. In doing that, it remained accessible to non-queer audiences, and it got to show many kinds of gay people who don't usually appear in the gay media.

My favourite bit was when they played that week's phone messages from viewers, whether they be pro-gay or anti-gay. You've got to admire a gay show which isn't afraid to show homophobes sounding compassionate, juxtaposed against queer people sounding intolerant and bigoted.

And I can't believe it got cancelled after two seasons.

Meanwhile, SoGay TV is doing fine on PrideVision.

[notofthisworld.livejournal.com]

Hey Ray, are you online now? Hop on AIM.

[beardoc.livejournal.com]

From what I can see, it still doesn't explain exclusive homosexuality, which I understand is limited to humans.

[etherlad.livejournal.com]

"Yeah....and that's another thing. I resent you people using that word! That's our word for making fun of you! We NEED it!"

[nfotxn.livejournal.com]

Rad! Is it good?

[nfotxn.livejournal.com]

QT was fantastic, a real intellectual approach. SoGayTv is like Breakfast Television for circuit boys.

[dancubca.livejournal.com]

Darn! And I was getting so comfortable with being unnatural!

[nfotxn.livejournal.com]

Well, there's that case with the two gay life partner penguins. I think I'll have to read the book!

[bremo.livejournal.com]

I think it occurs in other primates as well, like Bonobos and chimps. But then again, Bonobos are prolly the most sexually adventurous animals on the planet. Unfortunately, I have seen it. ech.

[stingray1975.livejournal.com]

it's too long to go into it here... perhaps on the phone or in person would be best. the mix of 'natural' & queer politics is my cup of tea, so i have too much to say. :oP