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Given I'm old hand at this blog thing I still find it hilarious when people un-friend you based on a single opinion held on a specific day as a reaction to a specific event. As already stated I was feeling pretty poor yesterday and wrote something that was hot-headed and not as evenly keeled as the standard I hold myself to usually.

Kudos to those who complimented me for saying something unsavoury even if they disagreed with it. It does take balls to get it out there because people will tear you apart. In the process we all think along lines we'd rather not. For important topics I find this incredibly valuable. Although it can be accomplished with calm tone, clearer meaning and respectful discussion.

Heck even I disagree with my tone, as I've stated publicly three times now. I just find myself dumbfounded when critical thinking skills are not employed in these situations. These are words on a screen stored on a metal box somewhere none of us are. Everyone has emotions and reactions.

And to those who've decided to work on their "persuasive writing skills" I would say, speaking from experience here, that locking yourself down, restricting access and moving away from others does not accomplish that goal. Not in the least.

To the departed: enjoy your echo chamber gentlemen. My discussions are still edited by me, arbitrated by my respected readers and never screened or deleted. That's real discourse.
From: [identity profile] bearzbub.livejournal.com
Who knows what unfriending lurks in the minds of LJ peeps?!

I still can't figure out why you would not friend me on myspace. It took awhile but now I'm finally sleeping better.
From: [identity profile] nfotxn.livejournal.com
MySpace just doesn't do much for me other than provide me with spam. Everyone I know uses FaceBook. Sorry :(

Date: 2007-09-12 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bullneck.livejournal.com
I think your policy on comments/discourse is definitely teh awesome, and to me that's the ballsy part.

I also think your post did get people thinking and discussing in ways which the absence of your post might not have prompted. And kudos, too, for explainer follow-ups.

People also did get a bit fried and heated, but that's kind of to be expected. Though it surprises me to hear there were (multiple?) de-friendings because of it. That sucks.

Date: 2007-09-12 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pamira2.livejournal.com
Unfriending. Why talk about it at all?

The meta-discourse cheapens the discourse.

It says either "this matters to me and what I really crave is approval" or "I'm petty and am calling folks out for unfriending me". Neither of which is terribly appealing.

Date: 2007-09-12 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jliv.livejournal.com
Unfriending. Why talk about it at all?

It's funny, but most of these social networking sites are chiefly driven by the desires for approval and connection. LiveJournal is more than a blog, because it has a friends list and the readership largely consists of others in the LiveJournal community. So, the connections have some value, and there is a slight sense of loss when the connection is severed, just like in life. Should people have thicker skin and get a life? Sure. But there's nothing wrong with a little meta-discourse from time to time, because there's a community here with informal customs and rules, which are as interesting as many of the other notable topics people discuss on here.

Date: 2007-09-12 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pamira2.livejournal.com
Eh.

Lemme put it this way, then. Complaining about being defriended, seems about as tacky as arbitrarily defriending someone.

Date: 2007-09-12 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jliv.livejournal.com
Eh, exactly...
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Date: 2007-09-13 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pensivegargoyle.livejournal.com
I hate cultural studies. :P

Date: 2007-09-12 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] woofytexan.livejournal.com
Ya know...it is your journal and you should post whatever you think/feel/etc. If they don't like it or agree, there's the door.

Date: 2007-09-12 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattycub.livejournal.com
Dude. Even if I disagree with something you say, doesn't mean I would think about dropping you as a friend, either virtually or in real life. Friends are supposed to disagree, argue, call each other out on bullshit - and know that, at the end of the day, you're still friends.

And I know that "LJ friend" isn't exactly the same thing, but still.

Date: 2007-09-12 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abearius.livejournal.com
I will be your friend as long as you keep paying me.

Date: 2007-09-13 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chrisglass.livejournal.com
I can attest after sharing dinner with Jeff this evening, he's worth having on the payroll.

Date: 2007-09-12 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strongaxe.livejournal.com
Yes, some people tend to take drama WAY too seriously and way too permanently.

Date: 2007-09-12 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
BEEP BEEP BEEP!! IRONY ALERT CODE RED!!

Date: 2007-09-12 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strongaxe.livejournal.com
Ah, speaking of permanent drama...

I see my invisible stalker is back.
I know how to let go. Do you?

"I KNOW HOW TO LET GO"

Date: 2007-09-12 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I know how to let go. Do you?

IRONY ALERT: SITUATION CRITICAL. WARP CORE BREACH IN 5... 4... 3...

Date: 2007-09-12 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strongaxe.livejournal.com
You (or someone with the same lack of name) accused me of trying to have the last word, so I dropped it.

Yet you keep following me around from journal to journal, attacking me anonymously, without the courage to show your face. Never speaking to the facts, but always with caustic sarcasm. (Oh, and I suggest you remove the crazy glue from your caps-lock key. It makes it look like you're shouting, which is hard to do without a face).

In any case, I'm done here. I hope you are as well (but then again, I don't believe in Santa Claus either).

Date: 2007-09-12 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
SIMULATION OF "LET GO" SCENARIO COMPLETE.
RESULT: FAILURE.

Date: 2007-09-12 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nfotxn.livejournal.com
What the heck are you going on about?

Date: 2007-09-13 03:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velnich.livejournal.com
as far as anonymous trolling goes, I was finding it a bit amusing.

Date: 2007-09-12 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qualitykill.livejournal.com
For what it's worth, I've been thnakful for your journal this week and I would 'friend' you AGAIN if I could. :)

Date: 2007-09-12 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] -cellardo0r-.livejournal.com
I think that's the LJ misnomer. LJ "friends" really equates to "readers".

If I don't like what an author has to say, I'd stop reading them, most likely.

But, I usually enjoy what you bring to the table on LJ. Carry on. :)

Date: 2007-09-12 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] odie420.livejournal.com
friended, not friended, offended, tickled...good for them. but it's YOUR journal, write whatever the fuck you want and IF you want to pay a courtesy to the people that read it by rewording or candy coating thats thier privilegde not thier right.

Date: 2007-09-12 08:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jawnbc
I respect your opinions and insight very much. But like most people I stick around hoping for a peek at some cock.

Date: 2007-09-12 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kingfuraday.livejournal.com
"To the departed: enjoy your echo chamber gentlemen."

How could someone not want to be the friend of a woofy dude who can craft a sentence like that?

Date: 2007-09-12 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jliv.livejournal.com
People spent a lot of time talking on LJ, and not much listening. The forum doesn't led itself to nuanced debate, so I've pulled posts when I realized I was stepping into a snake's pit. The energy isn't worth it sometimes, you know? I don't have a desperate need to be heard (or seen naked), so I'm fine with apologizing for offending and locking it down.

Date: 2007-09-12 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kingfuraday.livejournal.com
hmmm - but what if I have a desperate need to see you naked?

Date: 2007-09-12 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lucentnotion.livejournal.com
hooray for unfriendings! but seriously *applause* for voicing your opinion especially when it is contradictory to the masses!

Date: 2007-09-12 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sftekbear.livejournal.com
Yesterday's post was provocative in ways that were probably never intended. You and others made me really think about my own feeling about 9/11 and how deep my patriotism goes.

We are still learning what this whole "web 2.0" and social networking business is all about. Too often, those on the receiving end of a communication put their own spin on the intention of the sender. I think your post was about what was on your conscious at the time and colored with your emotion. I don't think it was a well thought-out argument to support any of the things you mentioned, yet most of us were trying to respond to it as if it were. You were saying what was on your mind. You are allowed to feel what you feel and none of us have the right to invalidate it.

Date: 2007-09-12 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velnich.livejournal.com
I don't think your post warranted this much apologizing.

Date: 2007-09-12 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grimmlok.livejournal.com
I agree. Shut up and strike a fierce, defiant pose.

WORK IT.

Oh - And by the waaaay.....

Date: 2007-09-12 11:26 pm (UTC)

Date: 2007-09-13 12:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeffdintexas.livejournal.com
I completely disagree with your opinion and, in fact, it angers me a bit. But it is the opinion that I have issues with... not you. I welcome a challenge of opinion... I can only find security in my point of view when I can hash it out with conflicting views. Anyways, I'm not removing your or anyone for controversy.

Date: 2007-09-13 07:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xkot.livejournal.com
If I un-friend someone it's not because I hate them or whatever... sometimes I've just lost interest or become tired of reading their posts. I think everyone does it for vastly different reasons so there's not much point in worrying about why a person would choose to do it.

Your post rubbed me the wrong way a bit but I just shrugged and said "It's Brodie's semi-annual Piss People Off day" and moved on. And um... then I mined it for comedy.

Date: 2007-09-13 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm sorry, and I definitely feel you and understand how you feel. I hope you're having a better day, at least, and I hope you have a great week.

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