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Is the phrasing a little harsh? I think I need to encourage a more effective method of civil action the writing an MP. Perhaps dis-obidience?

Any suggestions? Please!

Date: 2001-07-21 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancubca.livejournal.com
That boy is sleeping on the street! And somebody threw red paint on him! *gasp*

Date: 2001-07-21 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancubca.livejournal.com
*hah*

Say... what would you call that there... a... what?

*huh-huh*

Date: 2001-07-21 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancubca.livejournal.com
Sweetie, the clothes are all wrong... let's tank up instead.

Date: 2001-07-22 11:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brucelloyd.livejournal.com
Look what disobedience got this guy.

Date: 2001-07-22 07:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nfotxn.livejournal.com
Shot in the head and ran over by ATV's? Naw, that was homicidal caribinari using the victims demonstration of his human rights (remember those?) as an excuse to commit murder.

Colour me judgemental.

Date: 2001-07-22 11:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancubca.livejournal.com
ANYWAY, the point I was trying to make with the girls is that most people are either too naive, ignorant, or caught up in their own problems and wanting to get high than face what's happening in the world. It's very sad...

Date: 2001-07-22 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nfotxn.livejournal.com
It was well stated and funny. Gave me a chuckle, beautiful.

Date: 2001-07-22 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orgelcub.livejournal.com
An inspirational reading from the Book of Helen Steiner Trotsky:

'We may not have won the eight-hour day for the masses, but we have certainly won the masses for the eight-hour day. Henceforth the war-cry: Eight hours and a gun! shall live in the heart of every Petersburg worker.' (1905)

Duh.

Nah, ain't the phrasin' that bothers, it's the photo...I shudder at the media pig-fest (sells papers)...but we're obliged to be well-informed bourzyie citizens, hey?

Date: 2001-07-22 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nfotxn.livejournal.com
Enlightning. Well, that's the problem with modern activism. Everybody knows about it and wants change but <cliché>nobody cares enough to make a difference</cliché>. Everybody is some form of "armchair activist".

Heck, even my hypocritical self.

Spare no bullets, Count Witte

Date: 2001-07-22 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orgelcub.livejournal.com
"From the viewpoint of that spurious Marxism which nourishes itself on historical clichés and formal analogies and...."......*yawn* ......just got off the phone to a particular friend who was soundly beaten up by the pigs (that's what Australians call un-friendly police-persons) at the S11 protests here in Melbourne last year, court case pending this Dec.15 - we were wondering: did that guy really intend to buy Russia with his blood and become an over-night celebrity?...or did he just set out for a day of anonymous, garden-variety resistance? And if latter, who may presume to employ his corpse for whatever purpose? "Where the rights of the individual are trampled &c....." I was not criticizing your use of the photo, more the society in which the photo requires some use. *grimace n'gruntles*

Re: Spare no bullets, Count Witte

Date: 2001-07-25 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beardoc.livejournal.com
I'm going to weigh in on this conversation in terms of social psychology rather than sociology, because it's what I'm more familiar with.

Does the use of the graphic achieve the aims that Brodie was hoping to achieve? There's plenty of research on behaviour modification using unpleasant stimuli (fear, horror, etc.) and basically, they very rarely work. They do get people to feel fear, horror, disgust, etc., but unless they provide specific ways in which people can reduce that unpleasant feeling, then it will dissipate without behaviour modification.

"Write your MP" isn't specific enough. People won't know what to say.

When I was screaming at Mardi Gras a few years back, I discovered first hand how useful writing sample complaint letters was to getting people to understand what you're on about. It's about showing people what they can do to reduce that anger, fear...

Maybe if you do a website, showing people in detail what they can do, Brodie, and you include that URL in the graphic?

Re: Spare no bullets, Count Witte

Date: 2001-07-25 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orgelcub.livejournal.com
Yikers..another Aussie!! Gerrrdayyy #:D (A Sydneysidin' one at that - you people drive WAY too fast n' crazy, and that's coming from a motorcyclist). How's the weather up there? (It'd freeze the balls off a billiard table down this way. Oh look, there's a kangaroo in my front yard, talking to a platypus!) jesse.

Re: Spare no bullets, Count Witte

Date: 2001-07-25 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beardoc.livejournal.com
There's a few of us on here. Not loads. I'm not sure if I could deal with a bunch of Australian bears LJing every day.

How did you find LJ?

Re: Spare no bullets, Count Witte

Date: 2001-07-25 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orgelcub.livejournal.com
Before I answer that, a bit of necessary, possibly deliciously nauseating, local colour:

"SKIPEEEE!!
SKIPEEEE!!
SKIPEEEE, the Bush Kangarooooooo!!!
SKIPEEEE!!
SKIPEEEE!!
SKIPEEEE, a Friend that is Trooooooooo!!!"

"That's another triple homocide case you've solved again, Skip!"
"Tchh tchh tchhh!!"

(Hmmm, I see what you mean by not coping with a lot of Australian bears posting to LJ.)

Now, for record: I "found" LJ by being directed to it by a bear friend down here who suggested that I contact an LJ'er he had observed as regards certain specific (family) difficulties the LJ'er was having, since my friend knew that I had worked through similar difficulties and might be able to offer useful advice - and that is what actually happened, in the end (ain't that a beautiful thing?) - I had to log on to read his locked posts, but I don't post myself. I think that my LJ-directing friend found LJ through the Bearring - he knows 'jamesbeary' to some extent, I understand.

I enjoy Brodie's posts a lot, however, and I've been privately savouring 'em, silently, stealthily, for buckets. I have had a lot of protest involvement, some of it pretty dangerous and unusual, and the photo of the murdered protester, as bound up in protest politics, lured me in to blab me bit.

How did YOU find LJ? (Remember THAT toothpaste ad? - "NO, I was in here first!!!!") And what particularly irks ya about being walled in by Aussies? Be nice and answer truthfully, now - what/who are you trying to avoid? :) Is LJ your Own Private Idaho? The lure of LJ fascinates me - tell us ALL ABOUT IT. American bears I meet here assure me that we're much friendlier and nicer than those of the Rebel Colonies, so why shop abroad??? jesse

Re: Spare no bullets, Count Witte

Date: 2001-07-25 03:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beardoc.livejournal.com
I made a post answering this in my own journal. If you want to reply, do it there - so that we don't fill up Brodie's journal.

Re: Spare no bullets, Count Witte

Date: 2001-07-25 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nfotxn.livejournal.com
Here's an idea: a digital die-in. That is, people sign a petition with a picture of themselves in the same position as the man who died on the streets of Genoa. Not only does it create a petition, but it creates a subtext of support behind the political sentiment.

Problem is, it requires more effort than just a signature.

Re: Spare no bullets, Count Witte

Date: 2001-07-25 12:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beardoc.livejournal.com
And that's the problem - it require people to have knowledge of image manipulation.

Maybe if you found those sites that provide contact details of local MPs and emails, etc, and give that to people? That makes it a little easier for them to write.

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